I notice Ross T61AA has been beaconing in PSK WSPR mode to Europe on 50.293.
I did some investigating and found a huge number of participants using WSPR on HF and 6 and 2M in EU.
It took me ten minutes to download and set it up and without even a 10 MHZ dipole I was decoding.
I got instant feedback of my results.
Every bit as good as the logger posting and fully automated.
Switch over to beaconing mode in an instant or qso mode.
Low power needed.
The results are encouraging as I am receiving weak signals with callsigns of 1 or 5 watts over 16000 km
their PSK callsign is loaded back on the database which is updated every few seconds.
And the map just like on VK logger.
The system when hookd up can be switched from HF to 6M instantly.
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So you could track the MUF on 10 and then 6M easy.
And the power levels are staggeringly and weak.
I get instant readout off the map.
http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map
For my money if a whole lot of people come on board from Europe this psk mode is all we need for an early alert.
Makes trolling for beacons on CW and TV stations a thing of the past IMO.
We shall see.
Results for today
http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/spots
Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
2009-06-08 03:46 VK4FIL 10.140237 +3 1 QG62ms 5 VK3OT QF12ag 1556 219
2009-06-08 03:42 LA3JJ 10.140190 -18 -1 JO59dn 1 VK3OT QF12ag 15856 76
2009-06-08 03:38 VK4FIL 10.140238 -4 0 QG62ms 5 VK3OT QF12ag 1556 219
2009-06-08 03:34 ZL3NB 10.140206 +2 0 RE66im 0.002 VK3OT QF12ag 2650 273
2009-06-08 03:32 LA3JJ 10.140190 -20 -1 JO59dn 1 VK3OT QF12ag 15856 76
2009-06-08 03:28 VK4FIL 10.140238 -3 0 QG62ms 5 VK3OT QF12ag 1556 219
2009-06-08 03:26 ZL3NB 10.140206 -2 0 RE66im 0.002 VK3OT QF12ag 2650 273
2009-06-08 03:20 LA3JJ 10.140189 -20 -1 JO59dn 1 VK3OT QF12ag 15856 76
2009-06-08 03:18 VK4FIL 10.140237 -8 1 QG62ms 5 VK3OT QF12ag 1556 219
2009-06-08 03:12 LA3JJ 10.140189 -20 -1 JO59dn 1 VK3OT QF12ag 15856 76
2009-06-08 03:10 VK4FIL 10.140237 -5 1 QG62ms 5 VK3OT QF12ag 1556 219
2009-06-08 03:04 LA3JJ 10.140189 -19 0 JO59dn 1 VK3OT QF12ag 15856 76
2009-06-08 03:02 VK4FIL 10.140237 -2 0 QG62ms 5 VK3OT QF12ag 1556 219
2009-06-08 03:02 DJ9NZ 10.140204 -27 1 JN49gb 5 VK3OT QF12ag 16122 89
Nothing over 5 watts.
Could not hear the stations at all.
I was using a 40m dipole not even tuned top 10 megs.
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Possibly new mode for CW beacons
Re: Possibly new mode for CW beacons
I too have been using WSPR recently. Mostly on 7 and 10MHz with similar results mentioned above. I noted several times VK8CH was indicating on the map he was beaconing on 6m WSPR. Whether he was or not I don't know as because of the software you could be indicating the wrong frequency. WSJT version 7 has what looks like a WSPR QSO mode where exchanges similar to the usual JT65 contacts can be had. I have seen a few oversea's exchanges taking place. Could be something the JT65 operators could investigate and report here how it goes and how it compares.
73 Phil...VK6ADF
73 Phil...VK6ADF
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vk3six
Re: Possibly new mode for CW beacons
I am thinking for this summer I will set up VK3RMV in wspr mode TX 33% listen 66%.
QRG is right 50.293.
I have a TS690SAT and a laptop I can set up, just need to fix the antenna at Wannon.
If the powers quoted can be believed like the ZL3 with .002 watts today 50w system beaming from Southern Australia could be heard in some good places.
We shall see.
On 40 could not hear these guys
2009-06-08 06:34 NN6RF 7.040105 -10 1 CM87uw 5 VK3OT QF12ag 12895 241
2009-06-08 06:32 KH7HJ 7.040090 -25 0 BL01xj 20 VK3OT QF12ag 9075 224
2009-06-08 06:24 W5CGC 7.040159 -26 0 EM13ka 5 VK3OT QF12ag 14714 247
2009-06-08 06:24 NN6RF 7.040105 -12 1 CM87uw 5 VK3OT QF12ag 12895 241
2009-06-08 06:20 K1JT 7.040159 -26 0 FN20qi 5 VK3OT QF12ag 16858 263
And my only copy on 20M mid afternoon was interesting
2009-06-08 04:40 DH8SA 14.097074 -28 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-08 04:30 DH8SA 14.097074 -25 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-08 04:20 DH8SA 14.097074 -22 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
I see how his signal decreased even lower and lower.
The ZL3 was loud
2009-06-08 04:10 ZL3NB 14.097096 +3 0 RE66im 0.002 VK3OT QF12ag 2650 273
.002 watts
QRG is right 50.293.
I have a TS690SAT and a laptop I can set up, just need to fix the antenna at Wannon.
If the powers quoted can be believed like the ZL3 with .002 watts today 50w system beaming from Southern Australia could be heard in some good places.
We shall see.
On 40 could not hear these guys
2009-06-08 06:34 NN6RF 7.040105 -10 1 CM87uw 5 VK3OT QF12ag 12895 241
2009-06-08 06:32 KH7HJ 7.040090 -25 0 BL01xj 20 VK3OT QF12ag 9075 224
2009-06-08 06:24 W5CGC 7.040159 -26 0 EM13ka 5 VK3OT QF12ag 14714 247
2009-06-08 06:24 NN6RF 7.040105 -12 1 CM87uw 5 VK3OT QF12ag 12895 241
2009-06-08 06:20 K1JT 7.040159 -26 0 FN20qi 5 VK3OT QF12ag 16858 263
And my only copy on 20M mid afternoon was interesting
2009-06-08 04:40 DH8SA 14.097074 -28 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-08 04:30 DH8SA 14.097074 -25 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-08 04:20 DH8SA 14.097074 -22 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
I see how his signal decreased even lower and lower.
The ZL3 was loud
2009-06-08 04:10 ZL3NB 14.097096 +3 0 RE66im 0.002 VK3OT QF12ag 2650 273
.002 watts
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VK2FLAW
Re: Possibly new mode for CW beacons
Yes, I too hooked up WSPR a few months ago.
I decoded some quite impressive reports on 15m & 10m, using a 15m dipole antenna lower than the surrounding roofs.
Got a few from western USA, and Afghanastan.
Not a bad application to use.
I decoded some quite impressive reports on 15m & 10m, using a 15m dipole antenna lower than the surrounding roofs.
Got a few from western USA, and Afghanastan.
Not a bad application to use.
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vk3six
Re: Possibly new mode for CW beacons
quote from wspr
WSPR is a piece of software that enables you to participate in a world-wide network of low power propagation beacons. It enables your radio transceiver to transmit beacon signals, and to receive beacon signals from similarly-equipped stations in the same amateur band. Because participating stations usually upload spots that they receive in real time to a web server, you can find out within seconds of the end of each transmission exactly where and how strongly it was received, and even view the propagation paths on a map.
It is very interesting to experiment with this mode.
Providing enough people transmit beacons on the right band the data gathering capabilities are staggering.
6,572,768 total spots
28,321 in the last 24 hours
1,213 in the last hour
So providing people migrate this technology to 6M and the band permits the potential is staggering..
When compared with the one or two posts of the same old beacons and the same old ZL VK path ad mauseum one can quickly grasp that this technology if it works could quickly superceed the TV video carriers and beacons and logger manual entries.
As to how you go from hearing a weak signal from T61AA and working him, well thats the trick.
Maybe as I heard one VK4 just do on 10 megs go to PSK and call cq.
Some Japanese are transmiiting multi modes.
One thing is for sure, all today I heard a German station running 10 watts on an otherwise dead 20M band hour after hour.
In fact I did not hera him, the text just decoded on my screen 6 to 8 db below my noise floor.
WHich means I doubt I would work him under 100 watts of CW.
2009-06-09 05:00 DH8SA 14.097058 -6 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
2009-06-09 04:50 DH8SA 14.097058 -8 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
2009-06-09 04:42 DH8SA 14.097058 -4 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
2009-06-09 04:42 DH8SA 14.097079 -6 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-09 04:30 DH8SA 14.097079 -4 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-09 04:30 DH8SA 14.097058 -4 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
2009-06-09 04:20 DH8SA 14.097079 -5 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-09 04:20 DH8SA 14.097060 -6 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
2009-06-09 04:10 DH8SA 14.097079 -9 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-09 04:10 DH8SA 14.097060 -7 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
And VK0BP from Davis on 10 megs hour after hour.
When compared with the limited results from JT6M and its labour intensity, the auto logging of WSPR on what seem to be dead bands at the bottom of a solar cycle is amazing.
How the program handles a band full of signals at a solar peak will be worth watching.
It will IMO herald the MUF rise to 15 and 10 metres and eventually 6M.
Again if people put in the time.
One advanatge is you only need a few watts so it wont cost much to run a small transceiver.
maybe.
No such thing as a free lunch.
Time will tell.
One thing si for sure TV video and beacons are outdated and limited use for really long haul DX.
There is no doubt that this WSPR can pull out signals from nowhere at minus 28 below my noise floor.
That a pretty good heads up.
IMO.
Monitoring...
WSPR is a piece of software that enables you to participate in a world-wide network of low power propagation beacons. It enables your radio transceiver to transmit beacon signals, and to receive beacon signals from similarly-equipped stations in the same amateur band. Because participating stations usually upload spots that they receive in real time to a web server, you can find out within seconds of the end of each transmission exactly where and how strongly it was received, and even view the propagation paths on a map.
It is very interesting to experiment with this mode.
Providing enough people transmit beacons on the right band the data gathering capabilities are staggering.
6,572,768 total spots
28,321 in the last 24 hours
1,213 in the last hour
So providing people migrate this technology to 6M and the band permits the potential is staggering..
When compared with the one or two posts of the same old beacons and the same old ZL VK path ad mauseum one can quickly grasp that this technology if it works could quickly superceed the TV video carriers and beacons and logger manual entries.
As to how you go from hearing a weak signal from T61AA and working him, well thats the trick.
Maybe as I heard one VK4 just do on 10 megs go to PSK and call cq.
Some Japanese are transmiiting multi modes.
One thing is for sure, all today I heard a German station running 10 watts on an otherwise dead 20M band hour after hour.
In fact I did not hera him, the text just decoded on my screen 6 to 8 db below my noise floor.
WHich means I doubt I would work him under 100 watts of CW.
2009-06-09 05:00 DH8SA 14.097058 -6 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
2009-06-09 04:50 DH8SA 14.097058 -8 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
2009-06-09 04:42 DH8SA 14.097058 -4 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
2009-06-09 04:42 DH8SA 14.097079 -6 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-09 04:30 DH8SA 14.097079 -4 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-09 04:30 DH8SA 14.097058 -4 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
2009-06-09 04:20 DH8SA 14.097079 -5 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-09 04:20 DH8SA 14.097060 -6 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
2009-06-09 04:10 DH8SA 14.097079 -9 0 JO53bn 10 VK3OT QF12ag 15981 84
2009-06-09 04:10 DH8SA 14.097060 -7 0 JO53bn 10 VK8CH PH57 13136 72
And VK0BP from Davis on 10 megs hour after hour.
When compared with the limited results from JT6M and its labour intensity, the auto logging of WSPR on what seem to be dead bands at the bottom of a solar cycle is amazing.
How the program handles a band full of signals at a solar peak will be worth watching.
It will IMO herald the MUF rise to 15 and 10 metres and eventually 6M.
Again if people put in the time.
One advanatge is you only need a few watts so it wont cost much to run a small transceiver.
maybe.
No such thing as a free lunch.
Time will tell.
One thing si for sure TV video and beacons are outdated and limited use for really long haul DX.
There is no doubt that this WSPR can pull out signals from nowhere at minus 28 below my noise floor.
That a pretty good heads up.
IMO.
Monitoring...
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VK0BP
Re: Possibly new mode for CW beacons
Steve,
I would be happy to run WSPR here on 15m, 12m, 10m and even 6m. Although on 6m I am a bit restricted in regards to tx'ing. I would have loved to have done some 6m experiements especially over summer (I did set it up on rx a few times and did hear some vk cw on one occassion, but faded right out on me before I could hear the entire callsign), but we do have here a VHF radar system for looking into the sky as a science program. It uses frequencies around 50-60mhz and when I did try tx'ing over summer I certainly appeared as a blip on their logging. I have done some experiments since playing with WSPR and it does not cause as much of a problem. Talking to the engineer running that over the winter I am sure we could arrange for me to tx.
As i said - more than happy to beacon on 15m - 10m, and rx on 6m. If I get some decodes on 6m I would be happy to tx as well (after informing the engineer)
So just let me know if you want to give something a try (that is an open offer peoples
)
my email is vk0bp@vk0bp.org
73
Bob
I would be happy to run WSPR here on 15m, 12m, 10m and even 6m. Although on 6m I am a bit restricted in regards to tx'ing. I would have loved to have done some 6m experiements especially over summer (I did set it up on rx a few times and did hear some vk cw on one occassion, but faded right out on me before I could hear the entire callsign), but we do have here a VHF radar system for looking into the sky as a science program. It uses frequencies around 50-60mhz and when I did try tx'ing over summer I certainly appeared as a blip on their logging. I have done some experiments since playing with WSPR and it does not cause as much of a problem. Talking to the engineer running that over the winter I am sure we could arrange for me to tx.
As i said - more than happy to beacon on 15m - 10m, and rx on 6m. If I get some decodes on 6m I would be happy to tx as well (after informing the engineer)
So just let me know if you want to give something a try (that is an open offer peoples
)my email is vk0bp@vk0bp.org
73
Bob
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vk3six
Re: Possibly new mode for CW beacons
data is worth a few words
After getting the drift out of the radio.
Here is low power <5 watts over apath of 400KM on 6M.
makes a cw beacon seem a litle redundent IMO.
Next stop VK3RMV on whisper mode.
Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
2009-06-12 07:22 VK5PJ 50.294484 -12 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 07:14 VK5PJ 50.294483 -6 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 07:04 VK5PJ 50.294485 -16 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 07:04 VK5PJ 50.294475 -25 -2 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:56 VK5PJ 50.294486 +2 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:50 VK5PJ 50.294486 -18 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:44 VK5PJ 50.294487 -14 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:34 VK5PJ 50.294488 -12 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:24 VK5PJ 50.294490 -12 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:16 VK5PJ 50.294492 -18 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:08 VK5PJ 50.294494 +1 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:58 VK5PJ 50.294497 -14 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:52 VK5PJ 50.294500 -2 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:44 VK5PJ 50.294503 -7 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:38 VK5PJ 50.294506 -11 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:30 VK5PJ 50.294510 -1 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:20 VK5PJ 50.294517 -1 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:12 VK5PJ 50.294522 -9 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:02 VK5PJ 50.294529 -7 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 04:44 VK5PJ 50.294538 -14 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 02:00 VK5PJ 50.294527 -19 -2 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
After getting the drift out of the radio.
Here is low power <5 watts over apath of 400KM on 6M.
makes a cw beacon seem a litle redundent IMO.
Next stop VK3RMV on whisper mode.
Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
2009-06-12 07:22 VK5PJ 50.294484 -12 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 07:14 VK5PJ 50.294483 -6 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 07:04 VK5PJ 50.294485 -16 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 07:04 VK5PJ 50.294475 -25 -2 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:56 VK5PJ 50.294486 +2 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:50 VK5PJ 50.294486 -18 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:44 VK5PJ 50.294487 -14 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:34 VK5PJ 50.294488 -12 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:24 VK5PJ 50.294490 -12 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:16 VK5PJ 50.294492 -18 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 06:08 VK5PJ 50.294494 +1 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:58 VK5PJ 50.294497 -14 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:52 VK5PJ 50.294500 -2 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:44 VK5PJ 50.294503 -7 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:38 VK5PJ 50.294506 -11 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:30 VK5PJ 50.294510 -1 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:20 VK5PJ 50.294517 -1 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:12 VK5PJ 50.294522 -9 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 05:02 VK5PJ 50.294529 -7 -1 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 04:44 VK5PJ 50.294538 -14 0 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
2009-06-12 02:00 VK5PJ 50.294527 -19 -2 PF95mk 5 VK3OT QF12ag 443 143
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vk3six
Re: Possibly new mode for CW beacons
VK0BP wrote:Steve,
I would be happy to run WSPR here on 15m, 12m, 10m and even 6m. Although on 6m I am a bit restricted in regards to tx'ing. I would have loved to have done some 6m experiements especially over summer (I did set it up on rx a few times and did hear some vk cw on one occassion, but faded right out on me before I could hear the entire callsign), but we do have here a VHF radar system for looking into the sky as a science program. It uses frequencies around 50-60mhz and when I did try tx'ing over summer I certainly appeared as a blip on their logging. I have done some experiments since playing with WSPR and it does not cause as much of a problem. Talking to the engineer running that over the winter I am sure we could arrange for me to tx.
As i said - more than happy to beacon on 15m - 10m, and rx on 6m. If I get some decodes on 6m I would be happy to tx as well (after informing the engineer)
So just let me know if you want to give something a try (that is an open offer peoples
my email is vk0bp@vk0bp.org
73
Bob
CW on 6M, you say that so casually Bob.
There have only been three or four recorded openings to Antarctica in over 10 years.
And Davis?
The potential to ZS6 and VK is there but so is your high power radar, as flagged about 5 years ago.
No escaping it like in VK8 Darwin.
They could use 400 mhz for same experiments but choose 54 for boundary layer experiments all over VK.
I have heard you on 40 and 30M all the time.
6M is definitely the band of interest.
And WSPR seems to have the potential.