PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Hi all,
FYI PS-38 is in the air.
Solar powered party balloon, 25mW TX
TX WSPR, JT9 on 30m and 20m
Dial frequency 10.138700Mhz and 14.095600Mhz (standard WSPR dial frequencies) for WSPR, JT9.
See HF decoding info at http://picospace.net/?cat=34
Tracking as PS-38 on SNUS http://picospace.net/tracker/new
Currently some interesting propagation behaviour is being observed, possibly due to HF fadeout.
Prediction:
Assistance with tracking is appreciated!
Andy
FYI PS-38 is in the air.
Solar powered party balloon, 25mW TX
TX WSPR, JT9 on 30m and 20m
Dial frequency 10.138700Mhz and 14.095600Mhz (standard WSPR dial frequencies) for WSPR, JT9.
See HF decoding info at http://picospace.net/?cat=34
Tracking as PS-38 on SNUS http://picospace.net/tracker/new
Currently some interesting propagation behaviour is being observed, possibly due to HF fadeout.
Prediction:
Assistance with tracking is appreciated!
Andy
Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
JT9 and WSPR Sigs being received here from PS-38
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
I have decoded the balloon but it did not report the decode. But here is the data
0752 -16 -0.4 1012 @ VK3YT2973MWJB
0753 -17 -0.6 1012 @ 1/WO21EZ54M65
0812 -18 -0.6 1011 @ VK3YT2863KV+6
0813 -18 -0.5 1011 @ 1/ 921IC51L6+
What does it all mean?
Adrian
In sunny downtown Yarraman QLD
0752 -16 -0.4 1012 @ VK3YT2973MWJB
0753 -17 -0.6 1012 @ 1/WO21EZ54M65
0812 -18 -0.6 1011 @ VK3YT2863KV+6
0813 -18 -0.5 1011 @ 1/ 921IC51L6+
What does it all mean?
Adrian
In sunny downtown Yarraman QLD
Adrian
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
After a 12 hour sleep, PS-38 has recommenced transmitting.
On 30m @ 2100utc wspr sig received, jt9 signal seen on w/f but no decode due to heavy qrm.
On 30m @ 2100utc wspr sig received, jt9 signal seen on w/f but no decode due to heavy qrm.
Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Hi Adrian,VK4KL wrote:I have decoded the balloon but it did not report the decode. But here is the data
0752 -16 -0.4 1012 @ VK3YT2973MWJB
0753 -17 -0.6 1012 @ 1/WO21EZ54M65
0812 -18 -0.6 1011 @ VK3YT2863KV+6
0813 -18 -0.5 1011 @ 1/ 921IC51L6+
What does it all mean?
Adrian
In sunny downtown Yarraman QLD
If you enable "Telemetry" Option in the software (modified WSJT-X version), it will report the telemetry and you can see the decoded data at http://spacenear.us/tracker
http://picospace.net/?cat=34
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Andy I had a hd crash what version do I need?
I dont like SSD only 3 months old and it died
Adrian
I dont like SSD only 3 months old and it died
Adrian
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Updated position
Prediction
And this is the big bad cyclone Pam
Looks like PS-38 will be heading straight into the storm.
We will be watching closely tonight.
If PS-38 is brought down by the storm, even in sleep mode it will wake up for some last transmissions.
So if possible, please listen out for the balloon even after it gets into sleep mode.
Andy
Prediction
And this is the big bad cyclone Pam
Looks like PS-38 will be heading straight into the storm.
We will be watching closely tonight.
If PS-38 is brought down by the storm, even in sleep mode it will wake up for some last transmissions.
So if possible, please listen out for the balloon even after it gets into sleep mode.
Andy
Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Hi Adrian,VK4KL wrote:Andy I had a hd crash what version do I need?
I dont like SSD only 3 months old and it died
Adrian
You can download the software here
http://picospace.net/wp-content/uploads ... -win32.exe
More instructions here http://picospace.net/?cat=34
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Thanks for the link. I have downloaded v1.5 from other sources and could not get the software to run but this one works
Currently monitoring for the balloon as the crow flies its not that far from me
Adrian
Currently monitoring for the balloon as the crow flies its not that far from me
Adrian
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
No telemetry from ps-38 since 0730utc. Still monitoring 20 and 30m for a possible signal. Possibly (likely) driven down by heavy rain, it may be possible for the balloon to fly again, we hope
Profile of speed and altitude, data collected from Habhub.
Profile of speed and altitude, data collected from Habhub.
Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Hi,
PS-38 survived the Cyclone night but went down last night after crossing the international dateline, most likely because of rain/ice.
Thanks everyone for assistance with tracking, and see you at the next launch
Andy
PS-38 survived the Cyclone night but went down last night after crossing the international dateline, most likely because of rain/ice.
Thanks everyone for assistance with tracking, and see you at the next launch
Andy
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Excuse my ignorance but this Party balloon carrying this microbe payload
passes over the congested airspace on our east coast at 20000 feet?
what are the consequences of colliding with this small package doing 400 km/has it ascends into the stratosphere??
Whats its weight and how big is this party balloon?
Given that a magpie bent a $100K prop on a metro last week as it was landing at 200 kph,
and eagles have been known to take out plane windshields.
Maybe I should carry wspr so I can avoid.
2 cents
passes over the congested airspace on our east coast at 20000 feet?
what are the consequences of colliding with this small package doing 400 km/has it ascends into the stratosphere??
Whats its weight and how big is this party balloon?
Given that a magpie bent a $100K prop on a metro last week as it was landing at 200 kph,
and eagles have been known to take out plane windshields.
Maybe I should carry wspr so I can avoid.
2 cents
Last edited by VK3ZAZ on Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
There is a danger but experience shows it is extremely small.
In answer to my question,...., e-mailed that, “We don’t have any record of a weather balloon striking an airplane.”
Also, I searched the Safety Board’s Accident Database & Synopses for the term “weather balloon.” The database covers all accidents investigated.
Only a couple of dozen reports included the term “weather balloon” in the text and in all but one of these cases, the term was used to identify the source of weather data investigators used.
BOM MET complies “with all CASA regulations. Before launching a balloon from forecast offices near airports, and generally coordinate each launch.”
In fact, regulations require that before launching a balloon within five miles of a controlled airport, the weather observer launching the balloon has to coordinate with the airport’s ATC. Also, at all sites, “the observer will check the horizon to ensure there are no aircraft or other activity that the balloon might interfere or endanger. If aircraft or other activities are present, the observer will postpone the launch until it is safe to launch,” the manual says.
The instrument packages the balloons carry aloft weigh from approximately half a kg to a little more than a kg.
This is well under the weight for which the Regulations requires that a NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) be issued before the launch of a free balloon.
While the odds of a collision with a weather balloon are small, there is some danger, wrote Mitch Mitchell in the May 1, 2009 issue of IFR magazine. Writing about the six-kg rule, Mitchell wrote: “The thinking must have been that we could survive a collision with six kg in flight. But I’m not so sure.”
He also notes that the balloons rise at the rate of approximately 1,000 feet a minute–faster than general aviation airplanes can–and are not easy to see visually or with radar. On the other hand, he notes that the data the twice-daily launches from are vital for weather forecasts that pilots and others need.
As for the question about a calculation of the odds of an aircraft hitting a weather balloon, I could find no one who’s heard of anyone doing this.
Pilots could do one thing to lower the already low odds. If you are planning to take off or land at an airport near where weather balloons are launched, you could be extra careful around the noon and midnight Zulu time regular balloon launches; maybe wait until ATC tells you the balloon has been launched–remember they climb at approximately 1,000 feet a minute.
By the way, balloons are also launched at times other than noon and midnight Zulu when they are needed to collect additional data to predict threatening weather such as tornadoes or an approaching hurricane. But these are times you might not want to be flying.
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
To put things into perspective, we are talking about three things:
- Party balloons: many of these are flying around untracked
- Payload: my payload weighs 11g
- Rules and regulation: CASA regulation 101 has all you need to know.
These are NOT MET weather balloons.
Andy
- Party balloons: many of these are flying around untracked
- Payload: my payload weighs 11g
- Rules and regulation: CASA regulation 101 has all you need to know.
These are NOT MET weather balloons.
Andy
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Andy,
That was my first experience of tracking a balloon.
I managed to grab a couple of data downloads on 30m JT9.
Is there somewhere that we can view all the raw data collected?
Thank you so much for the fun - can't wait till the next one
Hilary
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That was my first experience of tracking a balloon.
I managed to grab a couple of data downloads on 30m JT9.
Is there somewhere that we can view all the raw data collected?
Thank you so much for the fun - can't wait till the next one
Hilary
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Hi Hil, try this link, enter payload into right field window selection, I normally pick the csv data file
http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
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http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Hi Hilary,VK2IUW wrote:Andy,
That was my first experience of tracking a balloon.
I managed to grab a couple of data downloads on 30m JT9.
Is there somewhere that we can view all the raw data collected?
Thank you so much for the fun - can't wait till the next one
Hilary
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You can check out the data here
http://habitat.habhub.org/ept/
Enter PS-38 (or any other flights) in the "Payloads(All)" box, and select the options to download
The Raw option will give you the decoded telemetry like this
"$$PS-38,0622,06:22:00,-34.716,149.874,8937,57.6,9,3,10,4254,1100 0171 jt9*FD58"
which maps to
Callsign, sequence number, UTC, lat, long, alt, satellites, lock, temperature, Battery Voltage, internal debug data * CHECKSUM
Thanks for tracking, see you at the next launch!
Andy
Oops I could see Joe beat me to the same answer!
Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Thank you Joe and Andy.
I will have a play.
Hilary
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I will have a play.
Hilary
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Didn't say they were.VK3YT wrote:To put things into perspective, we are talking about three things:
- Party balloons: many of these are flying around untracked
- Payload: my payload weighs 11g
- Rules and regulation: CASA regulation 101 has all you need to know.
These are NOT MET weather balloons.
Andy
I suspect you just do this with no thought of any risk..
1:100000000 chance maybe.
Suggest you overlay your ballon plot with flight aware and see how close your toy gets to commercial jet traffic.
excuse my maths bu 11 grams hitting at 1000km/h=??
F= ( 10 grams in 100 nanoseconds the speed of an airliner at cruise)
pix worth 1000 words.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=dama ... 92&bih=693
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Re: PS-38 HF payload JT9 WSPR
Another profile graph showing the temperature and battery payload stats during ps-38 flight