VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
Hi All,
I've searched and searched, and also emailed RFSupplier but with no luck...
Does anyone know the velocity factor of the semi rigid RG402 cable (.141") that RFSupplier sells? I believe the manufacturer is Xtar.
I sent an email to RFSupplier, but didn't get a reply, so I dare say that they don't know, and I've used all my Google Zen and found nothing on the Xtar brand. I've found figures on other brands, but they vary anywhere from 59% to 70% !!
Here's a link to the cable in question.
http://www.rfsupplier.com/coaxial-cable ... -p-32.html
I need to make up 2 matching cables for a 70cm amp (432.150Mhz) that feed into the combiner, but I need to know the velocity factor of the cable so I can cut it to the right length
Thanks
Jayson
VK1JA
I've searched and searched, and also emailed RFSupplier but with no luck...
Does anyone know the velocity factor of the semi rigid RG402 cable (.141") that RFSupplier sells? I believe the manufacturer is Xtar.
I sent an email to RFSupplier, but didn't get a reply, so I dare say that they don't know, and I've used all my Google Zen and found nothing on the Xtar brand. I've found figures on other brands, but they vary anywhere from 59% to 70% !!
Here's a link to the cable in question.
http://www.rfsupplier.com/coaxial-cable ... -p-32.html
I need to make up 2 matching cables for a 70cm amp (432.150Mhz) that feed into the combiner, but I need to know the velocity factor of the cable so I can cut it to the right length
Thanks
Jayson
VK1JA
Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
Jayson
Best to measure the VF of the pieces that you have. The word on the street is that VF can vary batch to batch.
If you have an antenna analyser good to the working frequency, or have a friend to have one, it's easily done.
Dave VK1DJA
Best to measure the VF of the pieces that you have. The word on the street is that VF can vary batch to batch.
If you have an antenna analyser good to the working frequency, or have a friend to have one, it's easily done.
Dave VK1DJA
Dave
Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
VK1JA wrote:Hi All,
I've searched and searched, and also emailed RFSupplier but with no luck...
Does anyone know the velocity factor of the semi rigid RG402 cable (.141") that RFSupplier sells? I believe the manufacturer is Xtar.
I sent an email to RFSupplier, but didn't get a reply, so I dare say that they don't know, and I've used all my Google Zen and found nothing on the Xtar brand. I've found figures on other brands, but they vary anywhere from 59% to 70% !!
Here's a link to the cable in question.
http://www.rfsupplier.com/coaxial-cable ... -p-32.html
I need to make up 2 matching cables for a 70cm amp (432.150Mhz) that feed into the combiner, but I need to know the velocity factor of the cable so I can cut it to the right length
Thanks
Jayson
VK1JA
http://www.pasternack.com/images/ProductPDF/RG402-U.pdf
http://vhfdx.radiocorner.net/CoaxCable.html
vf .694 but it varies , I have some used for cellular work and its close but not right on
Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
Sorry, Jayson.
You don't need an antenna analyser good for 432 MHz. VF isn't dependant on frequency. You can use any analyser. In fact using a lower frequency will give you greater precision.
Dave VK1DJA
You don't need an antenna analyser good for 432 MHz. VF isn't dependant on frequency. You can use any analyser. In fact using a lower frequency will give you greater precision.
Dave VK1DJA
Dave
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Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
If he wants to cut identical stub lengths he will need it to measure at 432 MHZ.VK1DJA wrote:Sorry, Jayson.
You don't need an antenna analyser good for 432 MHz. VF isn't dependant on frequency. You can use any analyser. In fact using a lower frequency will give you greater precision.
Dave VK1DJA
The VF will be the shortening factor, measure and cut one and maybe cut the other identical will work.
RG-402 /130-RG402 50.0 ST 29.4 0.141 7.2 2,500 Cu. S-R
http://www.amphenolrf.com/simple/cable_specs.pdf
Dielectric Type VF
Solid Polyethylene (PE) 65.9
Foam Polyethylene (FE) 80.0
Foam Polystyrene (FS) 91.0
Air Space Polyethylene (ASP) 84-88
Solid Teflon (ST) 69.4
Air Space Teflon (AST) 85-90
Tread your own path
Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
Thanks for the replies everyone, muchly appreciated!
I've been offered the use of a AA-170 analyser to measure the VF of the cable I have which is going to make the process so so much easier to determine the VF of this particular piece of cable
So, just to check I have the correct thinking - I wish to use two half wave lengths of cable to the combiner, so the formula should look like this (?)
300 / Frequency x VF x .5
Assuming the VF is .695, the formula would be;
300 / 432.15 x .695 x .5 = 241mm
?
I've been offered the use of a AA-170 analyser to measure the VF of the cable I have which is going to make the process so so much easier to determine the VF of this particular piece of cable
So, just to check I have the correct thinking - I wish to use two half wave lengths of cable to the combiner, so the formula should look like this (?)
300 / Frequency x VF x .5
Assuming the VF is .695, the formula would be;
300 / 432.15 x .695 x .5 = 241mm
?
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Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
If its 1/4w stub just hang piece of cable on a tee piece and trim down until total suck out.
The VF will determine the shortened 1/4 wavelength then just short it out to use.
if u need 1/2 wave do it at half the freq ie 144 MHz and u will end up with a 1/2 w stub.
The VF will determine the shortened 1/4 wavelength then just short it out to use.
if u need 1/2 wave do it at half the freq ie 144 MHz and u will end up with a 1/2 w stub.
Tread your own path
Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
I have had some doubts whether RF Supplier coax uses Teflon or not, so after reading your post decided to made a measurement of the remaining length I have in my stock.VK1JA wrote:Thanks for the replies everyone, muchly appreciated!
I've been offered the use of a AA-170 analyser to measure the VF of the cable I have which is going to make the process so so much easier to determine the VF of this particular piece of cable
So, just to check I have the correct thinking - I wish to use two half wave lengths of cable to the combiner, so the formula should look like this (?)
300 / Frequency x VF x .5
Assuming the VF is .695, the formula would be;
300 / 432.15 x .695 x .5 = 241mm
?
Test was a length terminated in a SMA at one end and short at the other and measuring the electrical delay to the short on a VNA.
The physical length from cal plane is 944mm with an electrical length of 4.53ns
Free space length = 4.53E-9 x 300E6 = 1.359m
VF = 0.944 / 1.359 = 0.6946
Therefore the VF is that of Teflon, 0.69 as you have predicted.
Also if the power combiner is for 50 ohm in and out you don't need to worry about the length, you just need to maintain the same lengths.
On a side note I recently got a Chinese power splitter for 800MHz to 2500MHz and they are excellent value for money. I paid less than US$10 shipped for mine (shop around as the same item lists for $20 at other places). The insertion loss was less than 0.1dB from the theoretical 3dB with good directivity and match over the design range.
It is now installed on the ZL2WHO/b 23cm beacon feeding the North and South antenna panels.
73
Wayne ZL2BKC
Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
Thanks Wayne, I appreciate the effort you've put in to work out the VF.
The two cables will be used in a Wilkinson combiner, so 100ohms on the two inputs and 50ohms on the (antenna) output.
This is further to this thread;
http://www.vklogger.com/forum/viewtopic ... 11&t=12507
The two cables will be used in a Wilkinson combiner, so 100ohms on the two inputs and 50ohms on the (antenna) output.
This is further to this thread;
http://www.vklogger.com/forum/viewtopic ... 11&t=12507
Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
Jayson,
The coax in a wilkinson combiner/splitter for 50 ohm input and output would be around 70 ohms at 0.25 WL so wonder if you are using the correct coax.
73
Wayne
The coax in a wilkinson combiner/splitter for 50 ohm input and output would be around 70 ohms at 0.25 WL so wonder if you are using the correct coax.
73
Wayne
Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
I'm sure Jayson is needing 50 ohm coax for the amp outputs to the coax Wilkinson combiner input.
The Wilkinson combiner is made of 75ohm coax and each input is joined to the output of the amp with a half wave 50 ohm coax.
Rightly as stated in the pdf found in the thread mentioned, on page 4
http://http://www.vklogger.com/forum/vi ... 11&t=12507
Wayne
The Wilkinson combiner is made of 75ohm coax and each input is joined to the output of the amp with a half wave 50 ohm coax.
Rightly as stated in the pdf found in the thread mentioned, on page 4
http://http://www.vklogger.com/forum/vi ... 11&t=12507
Wayne
Re: VF of Semi Rigid RG402 (.141") Cable?
Thanks Wayne, that's correct - I've got the 75 ohm cable sorted for the combiner, the RG402 will be used to feed the two amp outputs into the combiner.
I don't think I explained myself very well in the previous post
I don't think I explained myself very well in the previous post