The 3.4 GHz amateur band - it's future ?

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VK4DU wrote:Has anyone told the WIA?
Now, now!
Wasn't looking for any baits, nor throwing any out either.

The reference to the 1990's is to hams in general.
Baby boomers, who now make up the majority of hams (that's another sad story), generally have some outdated sense of entitlement.

This includes the access to RF spectrum, which would not have come under so much commercial threat, like in 1990's.
Hence the reference.

Hams are potentially sitting on goldmines, and take too many things for granted.
The inactivity due to complacency (we always read the moans about lack of activity after every contest) demonstrates this.
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Heh heh.

No argument from me. You are spot on.

We have only ourselves to blame.

The WIA needs to get savvy about spectrum management.

You just can not sit in front of the regulator and argue for retention of spectrum where the band is worth potentially hundreds of millions of dollars. People want bandwidth for their smartphones....

As I type this, my 70cm radio is scanning 10 Sydney repeaters. All quiet.....
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Even action won't see the government.Protect $500 million dollars of sales and 1 billion (handsets) devices worth of demand..

Back to sending a selfie from the iPhone at the Mcg / afl grand final!


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On 30 July 2014, the WIA lodged a submission with the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) in response to its current inquiry into future licensing arrangements in the "3.5 GHz band", which extends from 3400 MHz to 3600 MHz.

The Institute’s submission puts forward a strong case to preserve future access to the 3400-3600 MHz section of our 9 cm band. You can see what the WIA had to say by downloading a PDF of its submission from: http://www.wia.org.au/newsevents/news/2 ... /index.php

Posted in the interests of keeping all interested parties informed.
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Turnbull > Harrison.

Communications minister Malcolm Turnbull has issued a draft direction to the Australian Communications and Media Authority that will allow NBN Co to use spectrum in the 3.5GHz band to fill a fixed wireless coverage gap on the outer metropolitan fringes of Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth and Canberra.
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No doubt Mal has read the WIA's submission...

As Sir Humphrey would say - it was beautifully written.

And indeed it was.
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I was reading the ACMA paper on 5 year outlook 2013-2017.

From that paper: "3.4 GHz band (3400–3600 MHz)—The current arrangements in this band support the operation of apparatus and spectrum licensing arrangements for a number of services including:
> fixed P-P services
> fixed point-to-multipoint services
> Earth receive
> spectrum-licensed services.
The ACMA intends to review the current licensing and technical arrangements underpinning this band. For example, proposed FDD technologies require a 100 MHz duplex split in order to operate in this band, but the 3425–3442.5/3475–3492.5 MHz sub-band imposes a 50 MHz duplex split on FDD equipment."

I was wondering if anyone knows whether that split 100MHz restriction still applies to new 4G equipment coming out now. That seems to be the one big issue which might sink or swim our 3400 allocation.

Or are the modern 4G systems moving to TDD which is regarded as more spectrally and equipment efficient?

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For 3400mhz. The Chinese network trend is TDD. As 20mhz sub channels for carrier aggregation. Current NBN wireless services are 2300mhz TDD point to multi point. It's what we have been testing. Consider it a more efficient WiMAX :)
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Interesting Andrew,

So the question remains will there be a demand for additional TDD Wimax in the 3400 upwards slot and will there need to be guard band adjacent to the 20Mhz allocations?

I guess we can only hope that the military develop a requirement in that frequency slot for Radar location stuff and we stay in on the back of that.

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The DOC 'Directions Document' specifically states

"
relevant spectrum means the following parts of the spectrum:
(a) from 3400 MHz up to and including 3425 MHz; and(b) from 3492.5 MHz up to and including 3542.5 MHz.
"

http://www.communications.gov.au/__data ... ssible.pdf

Doesn't sound like it will be a happy outcome for those of us who actually have & use 3400.xxxMHz gear.
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Dear Sir or Madam



Further to your recent submission to the ACMA’s consultation paper Transitioning the 3.5 GHz band for future opportunities, you may also be interested in a separate consultation process relating to the 3.5 GHz band that is being undertaken by the Department of Communications.



Information on the Department’s consultation process is available here: http://www.communications.gov.au/consul ... n_spectrum.



Regards,



Eleanor Kay



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Eleanor Kay
Principal Policy Adviser

Spectrum Licensing Policy Section

Radiocommunications Policy Branch

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3.5 GHz Spectrum Review – make way for the NBN!

The Minister for Communications, the Hon. Malcolm Turnbull MP, has issued a draft Direction to the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) to enable licensing in the 3.5 GHz band for use in the National Broadband Network (NBN) around the major mainland cities. :o

The Department of Communications is seeking public comment on the issue. :D

Get the skinny here: http://www.wia.org.au/newsevents/news/2 ... /index.php

Posted in the interests of sharing the news. :clap:
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Holding on to at least 3400 - 3405 would be a nice compromise, but then again, I could be in La La Land.

It's all about NBN and no-one else, despite the community submissions... http://www.communications.gov.au/consul ... n_spectrum
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Just a note to say I received an email from the ACMA having previously submitted comments to retain the 3.4G band as it is. The thread of the email was an invitation to submit further comments after being directed to all the draft statements put out by the ACMA regarding the proposed use the 3300-3600 allocation.

The deadline for comments was stated as being 22nd September so my advice would be to resubmit you concerns as a "Stakeholder" . If you have already received a similar email that's ok however if you want a copy of what I've received I'm happy to forward it to anyone who requests it.

Remember, because you don't use it is no reason not to worry. If you read the WIA submission you will clearly see that over the past decade or so some parts of amateur band allocations have been slowly eroded away. As the 3.4G band at the moment is fairly noise free we need to state our case.

Having recently completed equipment for this band (along with 4 other locals) and intending to also operate from my home location I'm eager to retain what we currently have so please support those with a similar interest even though you may not plan to use this interesting band.

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Mal was on AM this morning, spruking NBN wireless.
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From the commercial responses we see in the UK/Europe, 25 and 50MHz blocks are not popular sizes for commercial use, which may give you a bit of an angle on hanging on to at least 5 and ideally 10MHz at 3400-3410

You can get a little insight from a few of the stakeholder responses here, who refer to 10, 20 or 40 MHz block sizes

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consul ... onses=true

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PS 3400-3410 is also an airborne military guardband for certain US/European systems
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Public benefit focus to drive ACMA spectrum strategy

The Australian Communications and Media Authority has highlighted a focus on public benefit as one of the core themes that will inform its spectrum strategy across the next half-decade – including in the key priority area of mobile broadband strategy.

The regulator has just released its latest five-year spectrum outlook, intended to complement its upcoming RadComms event which has as its theme ‘Spectrum rebooted, taking stock’.

“A discussion about Australia’s mobile broadband strategy will be a feature of day one of [the conference], with the work plan provided in the FYSO informing that [debate],” said ACMA chairman Chris Chap-man.

“The tension between enabling the economic and societal benefits derived from mobile broad- band, and the importance of balancing this growth with the continued provision and development of other important uses of spectrum are... key considerations being undertaken by the ACMA in its mo- bile broadband activities.”

“As we know from the results of our research released earlier this year, mobile broadband contrib- uted a significant 2.28% increase to Australia’s total GDP over the period 2007 to 2013,” he added, noting that mobile broadband was just the start in exploring the GDP contribution from spectrum.

The first part of the document detailed the evidence-based approach that the ACMA will continue to take to spectrum management, and its interaction with broader government comms policy initiative.
The second, meanwhile, laid out the overarching themes of the framework within which the Au- thority determines key priority areas and work programs.

One core theme of the regulator’s spectrum strategy, both in mobile broadband and in other areas such as pricing issues and flexible spectrum access considerations, will be maximising the overall public benefit arising from spectrum use.

The document outlined a set of principles to maximise the over- all public benefit from use of the radiofrequency spectrum.
These included allocating spectrum to the highest value use; enabling and encouraging spectrum to move to its highest value use; and using the most cost-effective and least restrictive approach to reaching policy objectives.
The approach will also centre on promoting certainty and flexibility and balancing the cost of interference and the bene- fits of greater spectrum utilisation.

“We consider this is best achieved by applying effective regulation to optimise the productive, al- locative and dynamic efficiency of the spectrum. Therefore, the ACMA’s blended regulatory strategy of both market mechanisms and centrally planned decisions will continue to be used,” said the regu- lator. “The tension between public and commercial use of the spectrum will continue to be an inevi- table part of the ACMA’s regulatory environment.”

A second critical theme will centre on bringing down the cost to business arising from regulation, partly via the use of contemporary licensing and assignment tools.

The third theme will be implementing current reform priorities; the Authority said it was working alongside the Department of Communications in the Spectrum Management Review – a review of the Radiocommunications Act – announced by comms minister Malcolm Turnbull in late May and that it was actively contributingto the government’s deregulation agenda.

The final theme will centre around ensuring the national interest. The paper highlighted, for example, the regulator’s preparation for the World Radiocommunication Conference 2015, adding that participation of Australian industry and stakeholders was crucial in safeguarding that the decisions and future development of international radiocommunications regulations served the country’s inter- est. It noted that a number of agenda items were likely to result in significant changes – including potential new service allocations – and were likely to shape the ACMA’s work plan going forward.

In particular, it outlined agenda items targeting possible new spectrum for use by mobile broadband ser- vices, fixed-satellite services, and possible new or revised regulatory provisions for wireless avionics intra-connection systems, satellite earth stations located on board vessels and control and non-payload communications of unmanned aircraft systems.

WORK PROGRAMS:
The new FYSO also included more detailed work programs than in previous years. Under these programs, bands considered for potential future use by mobile broadband included a possible extension of the 800 MHz band in the 807-825 MHz/852-870 MHz spectrum; the 1.5 GHz band, which was identified as a candidate for mobile broadband in the ACMA’s ‘Towards 2020, Future Spectrum Requirements for Mobile Broadband’ document; and the 1980–2010 MHz and 2170–2200 MHz bands.

The outlook set out some near-term regulatory and service planning targets; high-priority objectives included a band review for smart infrastructure, supporting the federal government’s smart infrastructure initiative, with identification of suitable spectrum underway and options being investigated with- in the 803-960 MHz band.
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Public benefit focus to drive ACMA spectrum strategy

This says it all.

There are many factors at work here, not least of which is the political promise to provide NBN over a range of technologies, including wireless.
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Email today from the ACMA as a result of my submission:

Outcome of consultation on future arrangements in the 3.5 GHz band

I am writing to advise you of the outcome of the recent consultation process on potential future licensing arrangements in the 3400-3600 MHz frequency range ('the 3.5 GHz band'), which included release of the discussion paper 'Transitioning the 3.5 GHz band for future opportunities' ('the discussion paper'). I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for providing a submission in response to matters raised in the discussion paper.

Following consideration of submissions to the discussion paper, and several other issues that are discussed in this letter, the Australian Communications and Media Authority ('the ACMA') has decided to retain the existing mix of apparatus and spectrum licensing arrangements in the 3.5 GHz band. The current embargoes will also remain in place, at least in the short term, although we intend to review those arrangements as use of the band develops.

As explained in the consultation paper, the ACMA initially considered that extending apparatus licensing throughout the 3.5 GHz band might be the most appropriate mechanism to increase the regulatory flexibility applying to the band. We considered there was a lack of certainty about future uses of the band. Flexible regulatory arrangements were therefore desirable because they would facilitate a future review of planning and licensing arrangements when there was more certainty about long-term high-value uses of the band.

Following consideration of submissions to the discussion paper, however, the ACMA no longer considers that increasing the extent of apparatus licensing is appropriate.

Submissions
The ACMA received 24 submissions to the discussion paper. Copies of submissions are available on the ACMA's website.

Of those submissions that commented on apparatus and spectrum licensing arrangements, a number supported a change in arrangements in the 3.5 GHz band. Other submissions, however, supported retention of existing arrangements. Some submissions also supported any licensing arrangements which would facilitate the deployment of TD-LTE (Time Division — Long Term Evolution). These submissions tended to consider that licences which covered large geographic areas and had long tenures would be most likely to encourage operators to invest capital in network deployment.

One spectrum licensee also noted that the 3.4 GHz band is included in the Radiocommunications (Class of Services) Determination 2012 ('the COS Determination').2 In the COS Determination, the Minister for Communications
determined that the reissue of spectrum licences used to provide wireless broadband services in the 3.4 GHz band to the same licensees would be in the public interest. In the absence of support from all affected spectrum licensees, the ACMA does not consider that it would be appropriate to recommend to the Minister that he amend the COS Determination.
Other matters affecting the 3.5 GHz band In addition to a lack of consensus on the best way forward for the band in submissions received, since the release of the discussion paper there have been some developments relevant to the 3.5 GHz band. These developments have influenced the ACMA's views on preferred future arrangements in the band.
The most significant of these developments has been the making of the Australian Communications and Media Authority (3.5 GHz frequency band) Direction 2014 (`the Direction').3 The Direction relates to the use of spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band to address the spectrum gap for the National Broadband Network's (`NBN') fixed wireless access network around major mainland cities. The Direction requires the ACMA to complete, by 30 April 2015, all steps necessary to enable apparatus licences of a type which would be appropriate for use for the NBN to be issued in the frequency ranges 3400-3425 MHz and 3492.5-3542.5 MHz. This spectrum is currently subject to embargo.
Another factor reducing the benefits of replanning the band is the increasing likelihood that TD-LTE will be the preferred International Mobile Telecommunications (IMT) system deployed in the band. The ACMA has already commenced working with interested stakeholders in a Technical Liaison Group ('TLG') to identify changes that will need to be made to the technical frameworks which underpin the 3.4 GHz band spectrum licences. Consistent with views raised in submissions to the discussion paper, the TLG supports the technical framework being optimised for TD-LTE. This is likely to mitigate the inefficiencies associated with the 50 MHz duplex split spectrum licences that were noted in the discussion paper.


Next steps

In line with the ACMA's decision to maintain existing licensing arrangements in the band, the ACMA will soon commence reissue considerations for the 3.4 GHz spectrum licences, which expire on 13 December 2015.

In addition, the ACMA expects to shortly commence consultation on a proposal to recommend to the Minister that he designate for spectrum licensing the "lapsed" sections of the 3.4 GHz band.4 This is the process that has been undertaken in other spectrum licensed bands.5 It will enable a future price-based allocation of any spectrum that is not reissued — for example, because a licensee does not seek reissue — and the "lapsed" spectrum if it is designated.

Once again, thank you for your submission to the ACMA's consultation process on the arrangements in the 3.5 GHz band.


So, status quo - for now at least

Submissions at http://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/making-t ... -in-future
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I received the self-same letter yesterday, too, as did the WIA.
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