ACMA letter on 2300-2302 MHZ band

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Yes, a better result than outright rejection, but only 124 submissions? :shock: Given the total number of hams in VK is around 19,500, that to my mind, is a rather dismal showing. One can only wonder what the result would have been if there had been 1240 submissions?

Yes, I did make one even although it is not a band of direct interest to me because I believe we all need to defend our spectrum and operating conditions for the benefit of others. Solidarity leads to results, apathy leads to failure.

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VK4WDM wrote:...Given the total number of hams in VK is around 19,500...
Wayne, where do you get these figures from?
Irrespective, the number of licensed hams is very different to number of active hams.
I personally guesstimate that the number of active hams is far south of 5,000.
(Note that this number does not include repeaters, beacons, multiple call holders, and those renewing for the sake of clinging onto a callsign even though they are inactive.)
So the hobby is in trouble, and is in a less of a position to justify the spectrum we currently have.
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For future reference..WIA must produce a template response so as many hams as possible can easily fill in the template and e-mail off to ACMA..other organisations do this why don't we???
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VK3BSF wrote:For future reference..WIA must produce a template response so as many hams as possible can easily fill in the template and e-mail off to ACMA..other organisations do this why don't we???
Because in reality large numbers of ' template' responses means little compared to a smaller number of carefully drafted targeted responses.
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VK2JDH wrote:
VK3BSF wrote:For future reference..WIA must produce a template response so as many hams as possible can easily fill in the template and e-mail off to ACMA..other organisations do this why don't we???
Because in reality large numbers of ' template' responses means little compared to a smaller number of carefully drafted targeted responses.
Although technically correct the numbers of templates certainly would be much higher off a template , and if optioned each would be a little different quite easily reflecting the senders individual desire
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Template responses are useless.

Government Departments see them for what they are.....
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VK4DU wrote:Template responses are useless.

Government Departments see them for what they are.....
Yes a lot more responses
of course if it doesn't fit with the plans they are ignored no matter the source or presentation
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VK4TI wrote:
VK2JDH wrote: Because in reality large numbers of ' template' responses means little compared to a smaller number of carefully drafted targeted responses.
Although technically correct the numbers of templates certainly would be much higher off a template , and if optioned each would be a little different quite easily reflecting the senders individual desire
I would have sent something in for the fact I have never touched that band and know next to peanuts. And frankly, I wouldn't have been comfortable using a template anyway - submitting something one cannot justify without a template is rather unethical.
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Irrespective, the number of licensed hams is very different to number of active hams.
Adam, OK, I should have taken off the repeaters etc :oops: but the fact is that the ACMA would not be interested in how may are "active, they would have looked at the number of licenses issued compared with number of responses and the only conclusion they could come to from that is that this is not a big issue for hams.

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VK/9V1CJ wrote:
I would have sent something in for the fact I have never touched that band and know next to peanuts. And frankly, I wouldn't have been comfortable using a template anyway - submitting something one cannot justify without a template is rather unethical.
Exactly.
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Our local radio club , the central west radio group, put in a club submission regarding the matter, and some of us also put in individual submissions, but of the submissions the ACMA received i am sure there were several clubs representing their members. the submissions would then represent a Lot more active amateurs.

I think its great that Roger now has a chance to go into bat for us in these ongoing negotiations. EME antennas are aimed upwards, and are highly directional. they wont bother the LTE peoples equipment when tracking the moon.
we will be able to comfortably coexist with the other users
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Ofcom (UK) has provided some information on 2300-2400 TDD LTE.

Ofcom: Interference to 2400 MHz from LTE

Ofcom has published additional information on co-existence studies between 2.3 GHz Long-Term Evolution (LTE) and 2400 MHz Wi-Fi.

The ITU Amateur-Satellite Service allocation is 2400-2450 MHz

In the consultation published on February 19, 2014, Ofcom presented technical analysis of the potential for interference from LTE base stations to Wi-Fi equipment operating in the licence exempt 2.4 GHz band.

Following a request from stakeholders, Ofcom has now published a measurement annex, from the research consultancy MASS.
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binari ... _Study.pdf

Additional Test Results for Wi-Fi DUT 4
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binari ... esults.pdf

Ofcom’s public consultation is on-going and closes May 5, 2014, responses can be made online via
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consul ... pssr-2014/
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You may also be intersted to know what the latest CEPT/European positions are...

The recent overall decision is in:-
http://www.erodocdb.dk/Docs/doc98/offic ... EC1402.PDF
Note how its not necessarily exclusive for LTE/mobile.
Amateurs, though secondary are valid incumbents (and see one of the annexes on that based on IARU-Region-1 inputs)
Major Wi-Fi concerns resulted in lower power LTE in 2390-2400 (and a fuller guard band in the UK).
However there is now a second round of European work on the difficult shared access mechanisms.
Its then is down to individual countries , so it will be patchy in our end of the world.

In the UK we have gone for a simple partition/re-plan. The Ofcom amateur consulation had 100 inputs from a mix of ATV and narrowband users, a measurements campaign and the final statement which you can all find here
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consul ... lease/?a=0

Because of a lot of ongoing government use we only loose 2350-2390, (and get some new daytime restrictions on the rest near military sites). Interestingly as part of the change we shortly expect to gain back 2300-2302 MHz (as UK amateurs had previously lost 2300-2310) , shared with wireless cameras - and we hope you can hang on for our EME enthusuasts amongst others

best wishes and regards

Murray G6JYB, RSGB Microwave Manager

PS some more on both 2.3/3.4GHz at
http://rsgb.org/main/operating/band-pla ... m-release/
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Thanks very much for the info, Murray. 8)
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Yes +1!
Thanks for the update Murray.

Oh, and welcome to the forum! :D
Great to have some input from the Motherland.
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VK4GHZ wrote:Yes +1!
Thanks for the update Murray.

Oh, and welcome to the forum! :D
Great to have some input from the Motherland.
Motherland ?

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Just passing on some information from Moon-Net

Some positive news about the 2.3GHz band from an RSGB briefing:

“Whilst the central section of the 2.3GHz band (at 2350-2390MHz) is being removed from the UK amateur licence due to ‘spectrum release’ changes, we have negotiated access to a new segment at 2300-2302MHz. An NoV for this segment is available to Full Licensees for upto 400W on a secondary basis for UK-mainland use*. This makes it potentially suitable for narrowband/EME and similar applications. Applications for NoVs can be made below now, but note that the NoV is valid for a period of three years.”



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Hi Wayne,

Thanks for the heads-up about the status of the 2.3 GHz band in the UK, notified in the (undated) RSGB briefing. :)

For those that seek the word "from the horse's mouth", look here: http://rsgb.org/main/operating/licensin ... 02mhz-nov/

It is likely that an ACMA decision on the status of the proposed 2300-2400 MHz allocation and the WIA's request will be some way off, given the Commonwealth Government's current Radiocommunications Spectrum Review (http://www.communications.gov.au/consul ... rum_review), which will see a wholesale review of the Radiocommunications Act 1992. :popcorn:
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Just received the below email from ACMA regarding the 3.5ghz band..


Outcome of consultation on future arrangements in the 3.5 GHz band
I am writing to advise you of the outcome of the recent consultation process on potential
future licensing arrangements in the 3400-3600 MHz frequency range ('the 3.5 GHz
band'), which included release of the discussion paper 'Transitioning the 3.5 GHz band
for future opportunities' ('the discussion paper'). I would like to take this opportunity to
thank you for providing a submission in response to matters raised in the discussion
paper.
Following consideration of submissions to the discussion paper, and several other
issues that are discussed in this letter, the Australian Communications and Media
Authority ('the ACMA') has decided to retain the existing mix of apparatus and spectrum
licensing arrangements in the 3.5 GHz band. The current embargoes will also remain in
place, at least in the short term, although we intend to review those arrangements as
use of the band develops.
As explained in the consultation paper, the ACMA initially considered that extending
apparatus licensing throughout the 3.5 GHz band might be the most appropriate
mechanism to increase the regulatory flexibility applying to the band. We considered
there was a lack of certainty about future uses of the band. Flexible regulatory
arrangements were therefore desirable because they would facilitate a future review of
planning and licensing arrangements when there was more certainty about long-term
high-value uses of the band.
Following consideration of submissions to the discussion paper, however, the ACMA no
longer considers that increasing the extent of apparatus licensing is appropriate.
Submissions
The ACMA received 24 submissions to the discussion paper. Copies of submissions are
available on the ACMA's website.1
1 Submissions are at http://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/making-t ... the-3dot5-
qhz-band-in-future.
communicating I facilitating I regulating Page 1 of 3
Of those submissions that commented on apparatus and spectrum licensing
arrangements, a number supported a change in arrangements in the 3.5 GHz band.
Other submissions, however, supported retention of existing arrangements. Some
submissions also supported any licensing arrangements which would facilitate the
deployment of TD-LTE (Time Division — Long Term Evolution). These submissions
tended to consider that licences which covered large geographic areas and had long
tenures would be most likely to encourage operators to invest capital in network
deployment.
Australian
Communications
and Media Authority
http://www.acma.gov.au
One spectrum licensee also noted that the 3.4 GHz band is included in the
Radiocommunications (Class of Services) Determination 2012 ('the COS
Determination').2 In the COS Determination, the Minister for Communications
determined that the reissue of spectrum licences used to provide wireless broadband
services in the 3.4 GHz band to the same licensees would be in the public interest. In
the absence of support from all affected spectrum licensees, the ACMA does not
consider that it would be appropriate to recommend to the Minister that he amend the
COS Determination.
Other matters affecting the 3.5 GHz band
In addition to a lack of consensus on the best way forward for the band in submissions
received, since the release of the discussion paper there have been some
developments relevant to the 3.5 GHz band. These developments have influenced the
ACMA's views on preferred future arrangements in the band.
The most significant of these developments has been the making of the Australian
Communications and Media Authority (3.5 GHz frequency band) Direction 2014 ('the
Direction').3 The Direction relates to the use of spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band to address
the spectrum gap for the National Broadband Network's ('NBN') fixed wireless access
network around major mainland cities. The Direction requires the ACMA to complete, by
30 April 2015, all steps necessary to enable apparatus licences of a type which would
be appropriate for use for the NBN to be issued in the frequency ranges 3400-3425 MHz
and 3492.5-3542.5 MHz. This spectrum is currently subject to embargo.
Another factor reducing the benefits of replanning the band is the increasing likelihood
that TD-LTE will be the preferred International Mobile Telecommunications (IMT) system
deployed in the band. The ACMA has already commenced working with interested
stakeholders in a Technical Liaison Group ('TLG') to identify changes that will need to
be made to the technical frameworks which underpin the 3.4 GHz band spectrum
licences. Consistent with views raised in submissions to the discussion paper, the TLG
supports the technical framework being optimised for TD-LTE. This is likely to mitigate
the inefficiencies associated with the 50 MHz duplex split spectrum licences that were
noted in the discussion paper.
Next steps
In line with the ACMA's decision to maintain existing licensing arrangements in the
band, the ACMA will soon commence reissue considerations for the 3.4 GHz spectrum
licences, which expire on 13 December 2015.
2 The COS Determination is available at http://www.comlaw.gov.au/details/f2012100235.
3 The Direction is available at: http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2014L01399.
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In addition, the ACMA expects to shortly commence consultation on a proposal to
recommend to the Minister that he designate for spectrum licensing the "lapsed"
sections of the 3.4 GHz band.4 This is the process that has been undertaken in other
spectrum licensed bands.5 It will enable a future price-based allocation of any spectrum
that is not reissued — for example, because a licensee does not seek reissue — and the
"lapsed" spectrum if it is designated.
Australian
Communications
and Media Authority
http://www.acma.gov.au
Once again, thank you for your submission to the ACMA's consultation process on the
arrangements in the 3.5 GHz band.
Yours sincerely
Spectrum Management Policy Branch
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